1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Mr Shutterwood, could you tell us how you first became involved in the War Mr Mystery? 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:15,000 Yes, quite simply really. It was just that I was the man on the spot, I suppose, to report the news when it first broke. 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:23,000 And although I was secretly laughing at the early witnesses, I just couldn't believe that what they were telling me was true. 4 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:32,000 And yet, the fact that it was true was proven to me by a personal experience I had nine months later after the first outbreak. 5 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:38,000 It all began on Christmas Day of 1964, which is a long, rather good, it's almost two years ago now. 6 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:47,000 And first of all, the advent of this thing, as we call it, either individually or collectively, we term it the thing, for one of a better name probably, 7 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,000 because I don't think that many War Mr People have heard of flying saucers. 8 00:00:51,000 --> 00:01:02,000 When this thing broke on Christmas morning of 1964, the first to be affected were troops, soldiers around here at Nook Camp, 9 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:14,000 and they woke, it was just as though, this was told to me by a sergeant up there, it was just as though chimneys had been wrenched off the main barrack roofs 10 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,000 and broken apart and the masonry scattered all over the block. 11 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:25,000 That was the sound effects that they had accompanied by a high-pitched whining or a droning note. 12 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,000 The guard turned out, quite frankly, and they saw nothing at all. 13 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:35,000 A few hours later, it would be about 6.12 a.m. on Christmas Day 1964, 14 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Mrs. Marjorie Byer, her housewife, was going to church, her early morning service, at Christ Church. 15 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:48,000 And then the sounds, as she put it, descended on her, or the aerial vibrations descended on her. 16 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:53,000 She felt, she actually felt, there was a bodily contact, she felt as though her neck was being pressed down, 17 00:01:53,000 --> 00:02:01,000 and she felt most uncomfortable. She was savagely jerked backward and she just couldn't fight off these vibrations. 18 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,000 Again, nothing seen. That was a shocking experience. 19 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:11,000 And although I've led off by saying that I was secretly laughing, I wasn't laughing outwardly, obviously I'd be a fool to do that, 20 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:16,000 but as a newsman of 30 years' experience, and pretty hard-headed, 21 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:23,000 I just couldn't really believe, you know, in full what she was telling me. 22 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,000 But then, of course, the head postmaster of all, Mr. Roger Rump came along 23 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:32,000 and he'd experienced a similar sort of thing on the same morning at approximately the same time, 24 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,000 except that he was luckily in bed. 25 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:43,000 And he heard the sound as of all his 5000 pounds being uprooted, as he called it, you know, by an unseen giant hand, 26 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:50,000 and then smashed on again, but he heard this high droning note, and he wondered, 27 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,000 I mean, it couldn't have been high-pathicables or anything like that. 28 00:02:53,000 --> 00:03:00,000 We've checked all the possible things that it could have been, and in this case, it could not have been anything normal or earthly. 29 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:05,000 Well, then that was the humble start, or the specialist start in one way, I suppose, 30 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:15,000 but then we got onto sightings of the objects themselves, and we've had over 800 people now have seen most peculiar things, 31 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:20,000 but they all conform really to two basic patterns or descriptions. 32 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:28,000 One, the long cigar in the sky, and it's often described as a cigar, sometimes with lighted windows, 33 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:33,000 and the conventional, what we know know to be termed a flying saucer, 34 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:40,000 which apparently the outer part spins, the central dome, which is that the uppermost part does not, 35 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:45,000 and there are four portholes apparently on either side of the dome, we've checked on that. 36 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:52,000 But as I say, I was getting, for example, an army major gave me a good story on the thing line, 37 00:03:52,000 --> 00:04:00,000 and he said that his car was stopped at over 40 miles an hour, it was stopped dead by an aerial vibration at Colway Clump. 38 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:06,000 He again, when he jumped out of the car, would feel this pressure from above, 39 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:13,000 and he described the noise to me as though it was a thousand high-powered refrigeration plants in action all at the one time. 40 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:18,000 Well, of course, we have no refrigeration units around here, that was ruled out, 41 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:28,000 but we've had an Aria pilot's wife, a matron at a hospital, a hospital physiotherapist, a vicar, his wife, their family. 42 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:37,000 We've had a naval officer who was on leave at the time, at Longleat, who has seen these things. 43 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:46,000 We've had engineers, the usual classes, classes of people, headmasters and art master, art students at the college around here. 44 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,000 People of that kind of a have actually seen these things. 45 00:04:50,000 --> 00:05:00,000 Now, even so, although they seem to be affecting, visually or affordably, they were affecting the right type of people, very high-caliber witness in my book. 46 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:10,000 I was still secretly, secretly, immediately laughing at these people, because I just didn't believe that anything from outer space could possibly exist. 47 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:19,000 But I was convinced on September the 28th, which is a Tuesday, at 3.42 p.m., I'll never forget, when I saw this cigar for myself, 48 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:27,000 and I trained the camera on it, the movie camera, I could feel a needling sensation of my left arm, the left side of my face. 49 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:38,000 My eye watered for several weeks afterwards, it was very embarrassing, and I could feel that this thing had power, that it was pushing out. 50 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:47,000 Whether it thought that I was manning a machine gun, was trying to, you know, fire away at it, or whether it disliked or didn't want to be photographed, I wouldn't like to say. 51 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:57,000 But I think really, there was certainly no radioactivity there, I checked up with the doctor, there's nothing radioactive or harmful about the ray that was being pushed out. 52 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:05,000 But I think it was pushed out really, and truly, I think that the main reason was, this is a disbelieving sort of chap. 53 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,000 Now we've got to convince him personally, and they did. There's no doubt about it. 54 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:22,000 And the camera jumped about in my hands, I dropped it, and the film had jumped off the reel before that, I'm sure, because there were only a few inches of film on the thing, and the rest was just blackened out. 55 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:31,000 And I've produced this in evidence, I've been in touch with the Air Ministry, or they've been in touch with me rather, on an average twice a week since last August. 56 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:45,000 And everything, every sighting that's happened, witnesses' names, addresses, location, in sky, the object, direction it's pursuing, any variation in speed, any variation in color, and I find that the two are synonymous. 57 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,000 If there's a variation in color, it denotes that there's an alteration in speed. 58 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:59,000 I think we've given them some useful information, and particularly how these craft, all of them, have the capacity apparently, so apparently, of changing shape, 59 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:07,000 or they do visually to us, but that could be, of course, that they're traveling at that particular time so fast that the eye just can't follow them. 60 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:18,000 It got a bit more serious in September and October for a period of about seven weeks, I was getting nightly phone calls here, and I just couldn't weigh them up. 61 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:25,000 I thought these people must be absolute hoaxers, but I didn't think it was a very good, very nice thing to do to pull anyone's leg. 62 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:41,000 These things were still happening all about here. As I say, over 800 people have been affected, and I say affected deliberately, because a number of them tell me afterwards that they feel somehow different after having seen these things at close, particularly at close quarters. 63 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:47,000 They do seem to get a moral or a spiritual uplift, and they become, as they term it, better people. 64 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:57,000 They want to be more tolerant, whether that conveys anything I wouldn't know, that may be going into the realms of the esoteric or the arcana, and I don't believe in the supernatural. 65 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:12,000 But these calls, because, harking back to these calls, now these, if they were not hoaxers, could be the most relevant and the most revelationary things that have ever happened, because I was contacted on the phone by three people. 66 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:34,000 Now, they rang from a local phone box, they even gave me the kiosk number. There was no doubting the fact that they were there, because, I mean, the whole family here, you know, would know that they were here, and I had Peter Earl of the News of the World down who was following up a theme story at the time when the first call broke, and I handed the receiver to him and he listened. 67 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:48,000 Now, as you know, if you get a local call, you get the four pennies dropping, but there were no pennies dropping at all, and all that I could hear was a distinct crackling noise as of electricity, and this accompanied the voices always that came through to me. 68 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:59,000 There were three people, and they claimed that they came from a planet, or a cantel, as they termed it, called Anstria, and I made them spell it out, A-E-N-S-T-R-I-A. 69 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:08,000 The female queen, the commander of the Ocepandet Anstria, or the Cantel Anstria, was named Teleli Song, and I made her spell that out. 70 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:19,000 The chap who first came to me on their behalf was called Kelsan, C-A-E-L-L-S-A-N, and he told me that phonetically it wouldn't matter if I spelled it with a K to begin with. 71 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:28,000 But what they told me, the third person, was a chap called Celeric, S-E-L-L-R-I-K, who was the English interpreter of the planet. 72 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:34,000 Kelsan was the spacecraft commander, and Teleli Song was the female queen. 73 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:48,000 Now, they told me, this sounded outrageous to me, but among the little incidental and things and trivia that they told me to begin with, as though trying to persuade me, well, you must listen, you know. 74 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:58,000 Here is what sort of people we are, and this is what we're here for. Leading up that, they told me that, or Teleli Song, for example, said that she was 758 years old in our earth terms. 75 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Their conception of time, I would imagine, is different from ours, but in our earth terms she was 758 years old. 76 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:10,000 Kelsan and Celeric and Teleli Song come to that. 77 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:21,000 All warned me that this earth should know certain information, and I took this damn pains taking me in shorthand, and I wrote my notes up for my book. 78 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:27,000 But I wrote them up, I didn't want to use them because I was thinking all the time, am I being hoaxed? 79 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:35,000 Well, now, the wife was rather nervous with all these calls coming through, although these voices were very musical, beautiful voices, as is electric crackling, 80 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:40,000 and they didn't turn the dear shuttlewood or shuttlewood, my friend, it was always shuttlewood. 81 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:47,000 But when they referred to one another, it was our beloved Celeric Song, our beloved Kelsan, our beloved Celeric. 82 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:55,000 Well, these calls went on for seven weeks, and in about the third week, the wife said that I'm getting fed up with this, I'm really nervous about these people. 83 00:10:55,000 --> 00:11:01,000 She was convinced that these calls were genuine, I think, but she was a little bit worried as to what type of people they were. 84 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:09,000 Well, I told her very little, but I did agree that the next time they came through, we would get onto the police on another phone, 85 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:16,000 get them to go to this call box and apprehend whoever was in there, so that if it was a hoaxer, or well and good, we'd know. 86 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,000 If it wasn't, well, then we didn't know what happened. 87 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:27,000 But we had this signal, you see, and I was giving her the signal as she came downstairs from putting the baby up to bed one night, about the third week of these calls, 88 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:34,000 and she was going to fly to the phone to have her father's phone, which is another house down the road. 89 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:42,000 But as soon as I gave a signal, and I said nothing at all about this phone call, the voice on the other end, which I think was Kelsan at that time, 90 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:49,000 warned me immediately. He could read my mind, I had no doubt about that. He monitored my thoughts, because he said immediately, 91 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:56,000 please do not try and apprehend us. It will be the worst for you, and we have no, we have nothing but love and compassion for your people, 92 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:05,000 but we are here for specific purposes, but for heaven's sake, do not try and apprehend us. We will have to harm you if you do. 93 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:10,000 No one can apprehend us. And that struck me as most peculiar. 94 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:18,000 Several other things were beyond the pale of Shia coincidence, because, for example, on the first night that they rang, 95 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:24,000 it was a Saturday, September the 10th. On September the 9th, or was it the 11th? Well, not, it wouldn't be the 7th, but anyway, 96 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:32,000 our story came out in the mirror in September, together with young Faulkner's picture, which is a genuine picture of the thing. 97 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:43,000 On the next day in the mirror, a false picture appeared, a hoax picture had been made up, you know, and this was on that particular night that Kelsan 98 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:52,000 went through, and of course, I immediately said, sort of stringing him along and laughing, you know, in a laughing fashion, 99 00:12:52,000 --> 00:13:00,000 I said, well, what did you think of our picture in the mirror yesterday? And he said, by our standards, very poor, culpably poor, 100 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:08,000 but by your standards, good, it is of our machine, and, or one of our craft, one of our spacecraft. 101 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:17,000 And then I said, well, what did you think of the picture in the mirror today? And this was two days, Mark, before it was acknowledged to be a hoax picture. 102 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:26,000 And immediately he said, it is too serious to laugh at, really, although we have a sense of humour, as you have, as you people have, 103 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:37,000 but it is a fake, fake, fake, a great shame. And that was two days before. Well, a lot of things of that nature crept into the conversations, 104 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:44,000 and it was as though not only could he monitor my thoughts, I couldn't monitor his, but he could certainly follow my trend of thought. 105 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:52,000 I met very, very rarely did I have to ask them, any of them, a question. As soon as the question was in my mind and being framed, 106 00:13:52,000 --> 00:14:01,000 they'd answer immediately. So it was very uncanny. Anyway, these calls went on for seven weeks, and then I think that these people sensed. 107 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:08,000 I wasn't still fully convinced, obviously. I've got to keep my feet well on the ground as a journalist, and to tell the people the truth. 108 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:13,000 I don't care a hang about editors, that doesn't worry me what they want. I think it's the people that count most. 109 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:22,000 But the messages that they gave me, these three, they would always finish off their telephone conversations each night with this warning or advice. 110 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:29,000 Remember that the light from the suns, in the plural, the light from the suns shines upon us all. 111 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:39,000 And their great fear, I look upon it as a fear, was not so much that they're filled with brotherly love for us and they want to save us, 112 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:45,000 but I think that they're also, it's a matter of self-preservation to them, because what they were telling me was correct. 113 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:57,000 We could, really, by our own stupid nuclear experimentation and precipitous actions, if you like, on the part of well-meaning scientists, but misled scientists, 114 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:06,000 if we committed some stupid mistake with the application of nuclear energy, we could ignite the whole of our Earth's envelope, 115 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:11,000 or our plantel's envelope, the cantel's envelope, as they would say, these people, 116 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:19,000 in turn, as our scientists do not appreciate how perilously thin the atmosphere is around other galaxies, 117 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:28,000 in addition to how perilously thin it is, even between our planets in this solar system, we could destroy our own creative system on this Earth. 118 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:38,000 We could destroy or disrupt the creative system, as they say down by what they call the Great Spirit of Universal Truth, which is apparently God. 119 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:44,000 That's their terminology. We could destroy the whole of our solar system, or the destroyer's creative system. 120 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:53,000 We would blast our Sun out of the sky. We could also, then, by repercussions through space, we could knock their galaxies out of the sky, 121 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:58,000 and that's their great fear. I'm certain of that, if what they're telling me is correct. 122 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:09,000 And also, they gave me pointers to this effect that we are already, what we have done so far, is already weakening a protective belt around this Earth, 123 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:15,000 is gouging holes in that belt, and they have to remedy that for us, and for their own sakes as well. 124 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:25,000 Now, I was getting messages of that type, and everyone, all of these three people, who call them people for now, assuming they weren't hoaxers, 125 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:37,000 were telling me how anxious they are to come onto Earth, to land without fear of being, you know, shot at, without fear of being scorned too much more than they have been already. 126 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:47,000 When the time is right, they want to land, and they can help our medical people and our scientists in the correct application of both medical pursuits and scientific pursuits. 127 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:57,000 They know disease, they conquered disease thousands of years ago, so therefore they can help all this world's people as far as cancer and the killing diseases go. 128 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:05,000 They can also tell us what we can do in the right sense. We're now in an ultimate stage of evolution, the nuclear age, they tell us. 129 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:17,000 That's why they're concerned, because it's so fatally easy, having got to that stage, to make a precipitate action, or to mix wrong elements or put wrong additives to the, you know, the compound, 130 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:25,000 and therefore we would blow ourselves up and let them be it, and of course they fear that, I'm not sure, if their messages are correct. 131 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:35,000 Well now, as I say, up to that time I was a little bit, I was laughing inwardly a little bit, until I was speaking to some scientists and medical people about this, 132 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:46,000 and it's surprising how seriously a number of them took this, and I could tell that scientists did know, as these people have warned us, that there are only three basic sciences, that are branches of science, 133 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:55,000 and I'm long scientific, you know, there's material or physical science, there's a spiritual science, there's a social science. 134 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:08,000 Now, for the past half century, this is what I've been told by all of these three people at different times, material and physical science, which is gratifying our concrete needs, you know, materialism, 135 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:21,000 motor cars, television sets, what have you, transport even, we, the superstructure of that science is dwarfing the other two sciences, which are spiritual and social, 136 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:35,000 we're losing sight of spiritual and social sciences, which are creative, we don't know how to use their creations, so that the superstructure of the material science is in danger now of collapsing on top of the other two, 137 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:49,000 and if that happens, well, we finish as a world, and they know that, so I think that there's a little, something here that's a little bit religious, they're here, they tell me, they're not the only planet engaged in this operation, 138 00:18:49,000 --> 00:19:01,000 but it is an operation, and apparently it's by divine guidance that they're here, they're not allowed under universal law to actually come down among us and tell us exactly what's wrong, 139 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:11,000 but they have to give pointers, and they allege that they have in fact contacted the governments of all the leading nations on this earth, that's the nuclear powers obviously, 140 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:23,000 and that these governments know who they are, they know what their primary purposes and aims are in coming to earth, and I've quoted these certain dates on which certain things are allege to have happened around here, 141 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:34,000 and definitely nothing to do with the military, no accidents reported or anything like that from the police, so far as I'm concerned, and I'm convinced now, having watched them every night for the past nine months, 142 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:43,000 these things are clear, nice, they've been ever since February the 25th on Crade or Hill, we've seen them above us hovering, as though saying, well, here we are, you know, 143 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:51,000 and I've no doubt in my mind now that these are interplanetary or extraterrestrial or whatever you want to call them, they're certainly not of this earth, 144 00:19:51,000 --> 00:20:02,000 so that therefore looking back, I'm convinced now that the calls I received were genuine, particularly when I've witnessed landings myself up on that hill, that sounds incredible, 145 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:11,000 but there are certain things I couldn't tell people at the moment, they would just laugh, but I think my book will pave the way, it's given faithfully I think, 146 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:18,000 as a reporter, a trained observer, should write it up, it's given the whole facts of what has happened around here, and they have been facts, 147 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:28,000 there's been no confusion in people's minds about military rockets or flares or satellites coming over, now for example, I'll give you one example here, 148 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:41,000 we've had these things coming into the sky, we've timed them, and they come straight into you, it's like a curtain of light, it's over your head from the horizon, 149 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:51,000 but in a straight line, not as a satellite comes up over the horizon, it's above your head in 18 seconds, now it's 36 seconds, assuming it went on instead of hovering, 150 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:59,000 absolutely noiseless, it hovers, it hovers through up to an hour, it can cross the whole horizon therefore in less than 40 seconds, we'll put it at that, 151 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:10,000 a satellite which is travelling at 17,500 miles an hour takes between 10 and, well we've worked it out, between 10 and 14, I would say minutes, 152 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:19,000 to cross the same horizon, that's doing that speed, what speed are these things doing, even assuming they're no more than 40 or 50 miles up, 153 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:27,000 although that's the norm I think, we were pretty certain, we've gone into it very deeply recently because we've had it forced onto us, 154 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:35,000 so the observation team of three on that hill every clear night, an XREF crewman and airborne fighter Bob Strong, 155 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:46,000 who's seen over 340 of these things since February the 25th this year, there's Mrs. Sibble Champion, a housewife who's intensely interested in this, 156 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:54,000 as indeed I am, I lead the little team but I don't consider that I'm a leader, I don't consider that I'm an expert in this subject, 157 00:21:54,000 --> 00:22:01,000 but it's been forced upon me to do something because so many people have been down here hundreds from all over the world and they say, 158 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:08,000 well look, you're at the centre of this, you've taken all the evidence on these things, obviously you're the right man in the right place at the right time, 159 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:13,000 I would like that, but it could have been anyone, you know, it could have been Jack Jones, Joe So for anyone, 160 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:20,000 I mean, I'm not over-published to myself, but I felt that it's my band and duty to chronicle as faithfully as I can what's happened here 161 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:27,000 and I want to crack open the whole enigma to get really at the bottom of this, so that we have visual proof, 162 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:34,000 with magistrates if you like, the Chief Inspector please, the Brigadier at the School of Infantry, high military people, civilian people, 163 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:41,000 they're all there when these people do come down and I want them to appear if possible in the photographs that we take of them on the ground 164 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:48,000 and certainly I take a notebook and pencil every night up there in case this does happen, so I can be there to interview them, 165 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:56,000 but I think it's a phenomenal thing, of course it is, it's a fantastic thing, but there's so much evidence generating from all parts of the world, 166 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:02,000 emanating from all parts of the world, that this is, one is not unique insofar as these things go, 167 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:08,000 you know these sources, whatever you like to call them, I don't like the term sources, I prefer the term thing, 168 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:15,000 although it may sound a little bit derogatory, it's not meant for him, but we're seeing them at such close range on some nights 169 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:21,000 that we're convinced now that they will land shortly and tell us everything, we're convinced, otherwise we'd be fools, 170 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:28,000 we wouldn't have to go up there every night, every clear night for about eight or nine months now, and of course we're learning things all the time 171 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:34,000 and I hope the book does give a point at the people as long as they have open minds, now here's another peculiar factor, 172 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:41,000 I put a letter into our local journal on the feature editor and chief reporter and I put into that letter a warm invitation 173 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:46,000 to anyone with an open mind in Warwindstead to come up and join our team for one night when it's clear, 174 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:55,000 any night that they like they can come and join our team, I had two replies, that's all, out of a town, a district of 11,000 people, 175 00:23:55,000 --> 00:24:03,000 and yet word of what we are seeing got out to America and Australia, we've had Australians up there, we've had American headmasters, 176 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:10,000 people that major have flown all the way by jet, 3 or 4,000 miles from West Orange in New Jersey for example, 177 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:18,000 Richard George, a headmaster of a school there, he came all the way from America just on spec, purely on blind faith that he would see the warments to think 178 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:23,000 and he was the first one to observe it from the hill and it hovered, now he went back and he was thrilled to bits 179 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:30,000 and yet you see, you have that, that the whole world is interested, but the people of Warwindstead, and I'm not running them down 180 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:35,000 because there are a lot of brave and fearless people who have come forward braving ridicule to tell me what they've seen, 181 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:43,000 I'm not running the whole of Warwindstead down but I think that it's a very apathetic term, certainly so far as the thing is concerned, 182 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:49,000 if only they had open enough minds to come up but they will laugh at it all, the majority of people even now, 183 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:56,000 I'd say that 70% of people in Warwindstead admit that the thing is there, or 90% would, but 70% would still persist, 184 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:02,000 even after seeing it, they would say well it must be something secret on a secret list, and when you get that attitude, 185 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:07,000 I mean you can't do anything, we take astro compasses up there, the other lights compasses, we take bearings, 186 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:14,000 we take measurements as far as we can, we've got a 3 inch telescope, a good camera now, we've just fought out 90 quid for a good camera 187 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:21,000 and we've got a really good camera lens, in an effort to get more detail, to satisfy everyone really, 188 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:29,000 but you still get that attitude that we'll grant that we're getting something peculiar here but we think it's something on the secret list, 189 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:34,000 and that rather annoys me in a quiet way, I don't show feeling, I think we should all be tolerant, 190 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:41,000 if there's one thing that these things teach you, I think it's love and tolerance, I certainly had a change of attitude, 191 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:46,000 or of character even, I think in one way, since being in contact with these things. 192 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,000 Has the aliens told us anything about life on science in this solar system? 193 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:56,000 They've told us, so far as, well these of course, you must understand, are not in our solar system, the end streams, 194 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:03,000 they told me that in a way, that they are not, Venus and Mars for example, which definitely are people according to them, 195 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:09,000 Venus and Mars of course are going to different names to them, so that Venus and Mars would convey nothing to them, 196 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:16,000 you know that's not their terminology, I mean they call an Earth or a planet, if you like, their term for it, 197 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:24,000 as I stress this, can tell, C-A-N-T-E-L, but there are several things I have learned, 198 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:31,000 and that is reincarnation is definite, whether religious people like to accept it or not, 199 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:37,000 they tell me that reincarnation is a definite fact, so that if you read your Bible, it still doesn't conflict, 200 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:43,000 that you die and you're born again, you reawakened, your soul lives on and that is the essence of it, 201 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:51,000 but it doesn't mean to say that you go into another sphere, into a heaven, you're born here, where you're born originally, 202 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:59,000 you keep being reincarnated until you've reached the perfection required before you go and join these people in another planet, 203 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:06,000 and there, the God says to me that in my house are many mansions, well obviously that is the conception of heaven 204 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:13,000 if you're religious, and I'm not awfully religious, you know, and yet I can only get that on my consciousness all the time, 205 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:21,000 is that this is a great spiritual force that's moving down in our atmosphere, I get that, I'm not the only one to get that impression, 206 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:26,000 Bob Strung I think you'll find, or anyone who's studied this thing at close quarters and in any detail, 207 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:31,000 and for any length of time, you gradually become aware that there's something big and profound, 208 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:36,000 and could be extremely helpful and beneficial to mankind in this operation that the planets are doing. 209 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:46,000 You asked me about other planets, it's factual, according to these people, that Mars and Venus, I know, those two are people, 210 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:55,000 absolutely like us, absolutely as we are, except that the people with whom I dealt are even more advanced, 211 00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:03,000 they're even more advanced, I'm convinced of that, because we've had a number of cases here of people having seen someone 212 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:10,000 who had talked to them, and then the person has disappeared, so I think that these people have not only gained an extra sense, 213 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:16,000 you know, they had six senses as opposed to a five, they have an extra dimension, they've mastered the fourth dimension, 214 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:23,000 they can alter, if you like, the frequency, you know, of their atomic particles, we're all made up of atomic particles after all, 215 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:29,000 they can lower and raise at will the frequencies of the atomic particles of which flash is compared with a flash and bone, 216 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:36,000 and I think that they can render themselves invisible to sight, they would appear to be invisible, and then become visible when they want to, 217 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:42,000 and I think that they can also erect a force barrier, not only round their craft to cushion it against friction when travelling at high speeds, 218 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:49,000 I think they have their own personal value which they can erect also, because we've heard of various cases, 219 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:54,000 we've heard of various cases of people going along at night in a car, they've seen someone lying in a road, 220 00:28:54,000 --> 00:29:00,000 they've gone over bang, front wheels over, bang, rear wheels over, they've run back in great alarm thinking, 221 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:05,000 oh, my God, I must have killed him, or seriously injured him, run back, no one there at all, no blood stains on him. 222 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:14,000 That's happened, so it sounds fantastic, but I think the world, by next May, is acquired by the prophecy here, by next May, May of 1967, 223 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,000 I think that this world will have to be convinced of these people. 224 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:22,000 Well, they can do it. Well, I can't tell you, just take that as a quiet prophecy. 225 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:33,000 This is Annabel Plowman, who's the secretary of the Warmington District Trade Council, her husband is chairman of the Agricultural Workers Union, 226 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:41,000 the district, they've both seen these people, obviously, and she particularly, her experience was quite hair-raising. 227 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:52,000 She was coming back at about 5.20 past 12 or 0025 as the military could say, quite dark, coming back across a skew bridge at HB, 228 00:29:52,000 --> 00:30:02,000 which is only about two miles from us, and she experienced something which really shook everyone of us at the time when we heard about this. 229 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,000 I see I checked up with police from the military afterwards, definitely nothing to do with military or the police. 230 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,000 No military exercise, no air-to-ground exercise that night, this blizzard. 231 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:22,000 She came along, her car, when she got to the approach to the skew bridge, she could see from the corner of her eye on the road ahead, 232 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:31,000 the side of the road, there's a railway embankment, and on that embankment she could see an orange ball of light, quite stationary. 233 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:41,000 As she got over the skew bridge, her engine began to pack up, she described her lighting, for example, as if a candle in the wind, candles in the wind. 234 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:48,000 She more or less drew to a stop, quite involuntarily, I mean she's still got her foot well down and she was in the right gear, 235 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:54,000 but the force of this thing, the radiance, you know, the force that it was putting out was stopping her car, there's no other reason for that. 236 00:30:54,000 --> 00:31:01,000 We've had about nine cases of the Westbury Road here of the same nature, cars, scooters, lorries, all sorts of things are stopped at there. 237 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,000 And this watch is stopped as well, and compasses go, hey, why, you know, and these things are bad. 238 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:11,000 Is that where the army camp is, just at the bottom of the hill? We went there today, there's an army camp down the bottom. 239 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:16,000 Oh no, no, no, this is on the civilian road, out of Warrants, on the Westbury Road. 240 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:24,000 No, it's a good four miles from the firing area, the safe firing area of the military, or even the operational area of the military is a good two miles from there. 241 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:34,000 This is a callaway clump on the Westbury Road, we've had some peculiar experiences there, but to get back to this one, particular one, which is just illustrative of several, 242 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:41,000 I promise you that, I've given you the names, we've got nothing to hide, her car was virtually stopped. 243 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:50,000 Well, the funny thing was that when this ball just flittered into the road in front of her, and then she could tell it was whirling around at a furious pace, 244 00:31:50,000 --> 00:32:02,000 and then it set off at an angle of about 90 degrees, you know, it just shot straight up at it as a tangent, and as soon as it went away, her car purred into life again. 245 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:09,000 But this peculiar thing, she noticed a spherical object, she could tell it was round, and that's all, it was very dark, 246 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:17,000 but by the radiance of the other thing on the opposite side of the road, she could tell that there was one of these things parked, without a light, there was no light on it at all, there was no light. 247 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:26,000 As she got closer to this, she still couldn't see, because of the radiance, you know, she couldn't really pick out any detail, because of the radiance of the thing which was going away, 248 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:32,000 but she could tell it was a similar type of thing. As she got past there, there were two figures in the hood, 249 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:43,000 and these two figures obviously had no idea of road safety, you know, children have, and so I completely concluded that they had no idea at all of safe road-well-ness, 250 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:52,000 because they were standing bang in the middle of the road, one a little bit more on her side, you know, on her left hand side, and the other, the other chap was well out into the middle, 251 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:57,000 and they were trying to stop her, waving their arms about, and they were definitely trying to stop her, 252 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:04,000 but you can imagine the effect on a young girl, even a responsible girl, and she's a confidential clerk at the military camp round here, 253 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,000 in addition to being trade union secretary for the town industry. 254 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:18,000 She obviously had the wind up, you know, and she had to go onto her long side of the road, well onto the long side of the road, to get past them, 255 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:26,000 and she described them in detail, which is confirmed and corroborated by at least seven other people, and they all have the same description. 256 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:36,000 That they have their in dark clothing, it could be a chocolate brown or a dark grey, people are not certain of the colouring because these things have happened at night. 257 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:46,000 They've seen their craft go into and out of water, they've seen these people standing by their craft, they've even seen the people without their craft apparently, 258 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:54,000 but they all wear the same garment, single one piece, close fitting, woolen type of uniform, I'd say, or clothing, 259 00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:03,000 a balaclava type helmet, which normally shows just their forehead, the side of their cheekbones, and that comes to a point near the chin, 260 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:14,000 in some cases they have not seen any mouth there because it's covered the mouth, very wide faces, very broad shoulders, tapering limbs, very thin legs, 261 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:26,000 but high broad foreheads, and when the eyes have been seen, they've been, what has been described to me as a thing of great compelling power and great beauty, 262 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,000 as though there's some perhaps hypnotic, mildly hypnotic influence about the eyes. 263 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:38,000 There are things I could tell you about what I've seen that I would rather not if you don't mind, as I'll keep it to the facts of my witnesses, 264 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:48,000 but I think that in the end people will know what I'm trying to get at in that book, you know, I think that they will really appreciate that these people are real, 265 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:56,000 their craft are real, they're much more highly evolved than we are, but although they may be closer to God than we are, if you want to be religious, 266 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,000 they are good in the majority, the majority of them are.